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A Last Word From Andrew Bartlett

Followers of Veracity will observe an ongoing dialogue that I have had with Andrew Bartlett, the author of Men and Women in Christ: Fresh Light from the Biblical Texts. A barrister from the U.K., Andrew has written a very thorough treatment of the complementarian/egalitarian controversy which continues to divide evangelical churches today, regarding how men and women are to relate with one another in the family and in the church.

Andrew lands on what might be considered as a “moderate egalitarian” position, whereas I am more of a “moderate complementarian,” though I prefer the term “sacramental complementarian.” I can positively recommend his book as it offers a number of thoughtful critiques of my position, even though I am not fully persuaded by his.

I originally wrote a review of Andrew’s book posted here on Veracity. About a month or so ago, Andrew wrote a very engaging rejoinder, which I posted on Veracity. In that blog post, I also offered a response to Andrew’s rejoinder.

I extended an offer to Andrew to “have the last word” in the discussion, and I am posting that here below, which he emailed to me this morning! I originally thought about simply appending Andrew’s final response to the previous blog post, but that was already rather long. So instead I am posting his last rejoinder here in full. Hopefully, I have formatted everything correctly!! As you will see, Andrew and I have much in common, but there are significant differences in our views. But as agreed, I will resist the temptation for further comment here, and refer the reader to our previous engagements in earlier blog posts for my interactions with his view. To get the full-breadth of my engagement on this very important topic, see this introduction with an index of blog posts which I began in 2019

Happy Reformation Day, everyone!  I hope that everyone will look for “fresh light from the biblical texts,” just as the Protestant Reformers did, and just as Andrew Bartlett invites us to do, while simultaneously striving to heal the rifts which divide Christians today, some of which were sadly exacerbated by even the Reformation itself.

Thank you, Andrew Bartlett, for such an engaging conversation!! Without further ado, here are Andrew Bartlett’s “concluding words.”


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Andrew Bartlett Responds to My Review of His Men and Women in Christ

In May, 2023, I wrote an extended book review of Andrew Bartlett’s, Men and Women in Christ: Fresh Light from the Biblical Texts.  Andrew is an author from “across the pond,” with a background as a barrister in the U.K., with expertise in international arbitration. He has written perhaps one of the most thorough books on the complementarian/egalitarian controversy, a divisive issue among evangelical Protestants today. Andrew Bartlett is articulate, and has written a blog post on Scot McKnight’s Jesus Creed blog, hosted by Christianity Today magazine.

This is pretty rare, but Andrew discovered that I had written a pretty lengthy review of his book, and so he wrote a detailed rejoinder to address my criticisms. Let me tell you, Andrew is a really smart gentleman and a sharp writer. He presents some very good arguments. After all, he is a lawyer, so I confess to feel a bit intimidated.

But Andrew loves Jesus, and he is quite charitable as you will read. While we share a lot in common, we differ substantially on the topic of women serving as elders in a local church. In fairness, I also differ substantially with certain complementarians on the exact opposing side of Andrew’s position as well; that is, particularly those who tend to needlessly minimize the gifting and role of women in the life of the church.

Andrew Bartlett’s rejoinder is not a quick read, and I hope not to botch the formatting, but his attention to detail is important to engage for those who care about what the Bible teaches about men and women ministering together in the local church. I have offered to publish his critique of my review here on Veracity. I will refrain from commenting until the very end, after Andrew’s footnotes. So, if you see flames flying out of your phone or computer as you read this, just know that they are not harmful ( I am poking some fun here, though I know that this is an important issue for some).  

I am writing this just days after the October, 2023 horrific tragedy in Israel and Gaza unfolded. In the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it would appear that we have peoples who are irreconcilable with one another. Most sadly still, much of the conflict has theologically-ideological roots underneath, bound up with different perspectives on history, that perpetuate the conflict. Hopefully, this engagement among fellow Christians, Andrew and myself, will model what healthy disagreement should look like in the wild, wild world of the Internet.

If Andrew wants to respond to me again, I will go ahead and include at the end of this post his rejoinder to my rejoinder of his rejoinder to my book review of his book , and allow him to have the last word. This post is already very long as it is, but I want Andrew to have a chance to clear up any leftover points, if he chooses. Otherwise, I plan on focusing away from this topic in future blog posts towards other issues that in my view need to receive more attention. Until then, it is my privilege to present to you, a guest blog post from Andrew Bartlett, author of Men and Women in Christ: Fresh Light from the Biblical Texts:

UPDATE: November 1, 2023.  Andrew sent to me some “concluding words” to our on-going discussion about his book, in response to my rejoinder posted towards the end of this blog post. Since this blog post is already long enough, I decided to post Andrew’s “last word” in a separate blog post.

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Men and Women in Christ, by Andrew Bartlett. An Extended Review.

Engaging in an online discussion can lead to some interesting outcomes.

In early 2022, I corresponded with a Christian author from the U.K., Andrew Bartlett, about the complementarian/egalitarian debate. Earlier I had heard of a book written in 2019, Men and Women in Christ: Fresh Light from the Biblical Texts. Little did I know that my online interlocutor had written this thorough examination of the Bible’s teaching regarding men and women in the family and the church.1

I promised Andrew that I would read his book, only to discover that while 100 pages into his 648 page book (according to Kindle…. 430 pages in the hard copy version), that this really is a big book!  Andrew is a lawyer and arbitrator, with a background in theology, so it really should not have been a surprise. I had to put the book down and try to come back to it, every now and then, over the past year and a half. Then an email from Andrew a few months ago convinced me that I should finish the book and offer a review. By the time I finished, I ended up with the following article that best summarizes my reflection on the men/women debate in the church to date, after four years of research and blogging. So, you might want to go grab a beverage, a nice chair to sit in, and perhaps even a Bible before I go on…

The length of the Men and Women in Christ: Fresh Light from the Biblical Texts will be a drawback to some readers, who simply will not have the patience to wade through many pages of detailed analysis and argumentation. This is unfortunate since there are many, many rewards the book has for the reader, filled with insights, and being exceptionally thorough, without getting overly technical.  In other words, mere human beings without a PhD can read this book, and walk away with an understanding why this issue is so complex. Men and Women in Christ: Fresh Light from the Biblical Texts interacts with a vast array of literature on the topic, published over the last several decades, which makes it essential reading for anyone desiring to dig deep into the debate. Regardless of what one ultimately thinks of Andrew Bartlett’s thesis, Andrew is a great dialogue partner, and he has done the Christian church an invaluable service with his thorough and careful analysis. So, thank you, Andrew (assuming you read this)!!

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